In the new episode of our weekly podcast Lever Time, David Sirota and Julia Rock sit down for a long-form interview with Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI). David and Julia press Sen. Schatz on his support for Manchin’s permitting reform deal, his thoughts on the DISCLOSE Act, whether or not he would support a railroad workers strike, and pick his brain about what it’s like to be a U.S. Senator in 2022 (30:54).

In addition, David is also joined by Andrew Perez and Jacobin staff writer Luke Savage to analyze a moment of open corruption during a House committee meeting (1:57), discuss how Joe Manchin’s dirty pipeline bill is getting “greenwashed” (12:46), and score an inside look at Savage’s new book, The Dead Center, about the failures of modern Liberalism (23:03).

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